1 00:00:26,470 --> 00:00:16,080 [Music] 2 00:00:30,940 --> 00:00:26,480 thank you very much am i audible am i 3 00:00:34,540 --> 00:00:30,950 visible thank you for rushing through 4 00:00:36,580 --> 00:00:34,550 your lunch I know some of you know 5 00:00:39,580 --> 00:00:36,590 nothing about the Felix experimental 6 00:00:41,260 --> 00:00:39,590 group or know nothing about what I 7 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:41,270 reported on last year so I'd like to 8 00:00:48,580 --> 00:00:44,210 spend just a couple of minutes going 9 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:48,590 through some reviews material so the 10 00:00:52,900 --> 00:00:51,050 basics of the Felix group is this that's 11 00:00:54,940 --> 00:00:52,910 this is a group having to do primarily 12 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:54,950 with physical mediumship the producing 13 00:00:59,290 --> 00:00:56,570 of physical phenomena apparently 14 00:01:01,780 --> 00:00:59,300 manifesting intelligence beyond the 15 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:01,790 grave the Felix group was founded in 16 00:01:07,660 --> 00:01:04,850 2004 originally they focused on table 17 00:01:11,879 --> 00:01:07,670 tilting phenomena the main cast of 18 00:01:14,950 --> 00:01:11,889 characters are the medium Cayuga a 19 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:14,960 well-known cardiologist who functions as 20 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:17,090 the circle leader his name is johan 21 00:01:21,669 --> 00:01:19,490 söderling that's actually a pseudonym 22 00:01:24,429 --> 00:01:21,679 because of his position he doesn't want 23 00:01:26,649 --> 00:01:24,439 people really to know who he is 24 00:01:28,870 --> 00:01:26,659 both Johan and Kai are very 25 00:01:31,090 --> 00:01:28,880 knowledgeable about and also immersed in 26 00:01:33,149 --> 00:01:31,100 the old spiritualist literature and they 27 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:33,159 also are very well acquainted with the 28 00:01:38,830 --> 00:01:35,450 irrelevant theoretical and critical 29 00:01:42,699 --> 00:01:38,840 secondary literature Johan joined the 30 00:01:49,300 --> 00:01:42,709 group in 2007 Kai's wife Julia became a 31 00:01:52,019 --> 00:01:49,310 regular sitter in 2011 so in our last 32 00:01:52,029 --> 00:01:57,700 that's the obligatory cat picture sorry 33 00:02:07,460 --> 00:02:04,280 emerging out of an ectoplasmic cocoon so 34 00:02:10,820 --> 00:02:07,470 in our last episode I reported first of 35 00:02:14,660 --> 00:02:10,830 all on my variably controlled seances in 36 00:02:17,030 --> 00:02:14,670 Hana Germany where Kai lives in 2012 and 37 00:02:20,060 --> 00:02:17,040 then a series of much more stringently 38 00:02:21,590 --> 00:02:20,070 controlled seances held in austria at a 39 00:02:23,570 --> 00:02:21,600 private farm house owned by my 40 00:02:26,750 --> 00:02:23,580 collaborator Robert NAR Holtz who's 41 00:02:30,260 --> 00:02:26,760 somewhere with cameras here a year ago 42 00:02:32,210 --> 00:02:30,270 May the Hangout controls included a 43 00:02:34,250 --> 00:02:32,220 strip-search of the medium inspection of 44 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:34,260 his clothes and a quite intrusive 45 00:02:38,660 --> 00:02:36,570 forelimb bodily control of the medium 46 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:38,670 during object movements occurring at a 47 00:02:44,140 --> 00:02:40,770 distance and let me just review briefly 48 00:02:46,790 --> 00:02:44,150 what the bodily control was i sat 49 00:02:49,820 --> 00:02:46,800 directly to the mediums left my right 50 00:02:52,580 --> 00:02:49,830 leg touched his left leg my right foot 51 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:52,590 was in front of his left foot I held his 52 00:02:58,550 --> 00:02:56,370 left hand with my right hand for many of 53 00:03:01,340 --> 00:02:58,560 the phenomena and for other phenomena I 54 00:03:03,050 --> 00:03:01,350 also reached across his body and held 55 00:03:04,190 --> 00:03:03,060 his wife Julia's hand she was 56 00:03:06,949 --> 00:03:04,200 controlling him from the other side 57 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:06,959 sometimes holding Kai's hand as well so 58 00:03:10,789 --> 00:03:08,970 in that position I was literally draped 59 00:03:13,009 --> 00:03:10,799 all over kai while things occurred at a 60 00:03:17,479 --> 00:03:13,019 distance and about fifty inches away 61 00:03:19,759 --> 00:03:17,489 from him and the phenomena that occurred 62 00:03:21,289 --> 00:03:19,769 during all of that included wraps all 63 00:03:23,449 --> 00:03:21,299 around the room the ceiling and the 64 00:03:28,460 --> 00:03:23,459 walls apparently from behind the thick 65 00:03:30,590 --> 00:03:28,470 16 inch cement walls touches lights 66 00:03:32,630 --> 00:03:30,600 moving around the room object movements 67 00:03:34,699 --> 00:03:32,640 on or near the conga drum placed at the 68 00:03:41,030 --> 00:03:34,709 far end of the room shadows on a 69 00:03:43,130 --> 00:03:41,040 luminescent plaque and so on a number of 70 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:43,140 phenomena were a particular interest one 71 00:03:48,620 --> 00:03:46,410 was a table levitation recorded during a 72 00:03:52,490 --> 00:03:48,630 quite informal seance this was recorded 73 00:03:55,340 --> 00:03:52,500 in high-res I our video and object 74 00:03:57,259 --> 00:03:55,350 movements as far as I said 50 inches 75 00:03:59,300 --> 00:03:57,269 from the medium and what was really 76 00:04:01,759 --> 00:03:59,310 interesting about these is that those 77 00:04:04,069 --> 00:04:01,769 movements were synchronized with Kai's 78 00:04:06,650 --> 00:04:04,079 twitching while I held on to him or 79 00:04:08,539 --> 00:04:06,660 clenching so that's a particular 80 00:04:09,020 --> 00:04:08,549 interest for those who think that time 81 00:04:11,390 --> 00:04:09,030 might have 82 00:04:12,980 --> 00:04:11,400 an accomplice in the room because nobody 83 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:12,990 except somebody controlling him would 84 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:14,850 have been aware of when the twitches or 85 00:04:19,789 --> 00:04:17,970 the clenching were happening so only 86 00:04:23,930 --> 00:04:19,799 somebody actually in touch with Chi 87 00:04:25,490 --> 00:04:23,940 would have had those sensory cues but 88 00:04:27,379 --> 00:04:25,500 things got more dramatic after that 89 00:04:29,450 --> 00:04:27,389 because then the medium extruded a large 90 00:04:31,490 --> 00:04:29,460 quantity of ectoplasm from his mouth 91 00:04:33,980 --> 00:04:31,500 that landed in an animated heap on the 92 00:04:38,629 --> 00:04:33,990 floor and eventually sprouted a mobile 93 00:04:40,700 --> 00:04:38,639 arm and hand more or less now in Austria 94 00:04:42,380 --> 00:04:40,710 the seances were even better controlled 95 00:04:45,710 --> 00:04:42,390 and there were some general controls 96 00:04:48,530 --> 00:04:45,720 having that we applied through all the 97 00:04:50,570 --> 00:04:48,540 seances first of all the seance room is 98 00:04:53,060 --> 00:04:50,580 kept pad locked when it wasn't in use I 99 00:04:54,710 --> 00:04:53,070 had sole possession of the key no one 100 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:54,720 knew where I kept it when it wasn't on 101 00:05:00,140 --> 00:04:57,330 my person the windows and the interior 102 00:05:02,540 --> 00:05:00,150 shutters in the rooms each had locks and 103 00:05:04,780 --> 00:05:02,550 they were locked during the sessions the 104 00:05:07,940 --> 00:05:04,790 room was padlocked from the inside and 105 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:07,950 the cabinet assembly all the PK target 106 00:05:11,690 --> 00:05:09,570 objects and all the other objects were 107 00:05:14,540 --> 00:05:11,700 examined very carefully both before and 108 00:05:16,010 --> 00:05:14,550 after the seances and in case anyone 109 00:05:20,690 --> 00:05:16,020 doubts how carefully we did that 110 00:05:25,159 --> 00:05:20,700 everything was recorded in video we had 111 00:05:26,870 --> 00:05:25,169 a table seance on may 12th of 2013 which 112 00:05:29,390 --> 00:05:26,880 included several full table levitations 113 00:05:31,550 --> 00:05:29,400 one of them was captured on video and 114 00:05:34,250 --> 00:05:31,560 red light which was turned on as the 115 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:34,260 table started to rise it was recorded 116 00:05:42,590 --> 00:05:39,930 with a very high ISO and reasonably slow 117 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:42,600 exposure digital enhancement allowed the 118 00:05:46,159 --> 00:05:44,130 action and the controls to be seen 119 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:46,169 fairly clearly and what you see in the 120 00:05:50,150 --> 00:05:48,690 pictures is that Kai's feet and those of 121 00:05:52,490 --> 00:05:50,160 most of the others were clearly visible 122 00:05:54,980 --> 00:05:52,500 on the floor and sitter's hands were 123 00:05:56,840 --> 00:05:54,990 clearly visible on the top of the table 124 00:05:59,270 --> 00:05:56,850 so let me just quickly show you that 125 00:06:07,239 --> 00:05:59,280 table levitation these are stills from 126 00:06:13,989 --> 00:06:09,429 the dissent was far more rapid than the 127 00:06:16,209 --> 00:06:13,999 rise we also held a cabinet seance a 128 00:06:18,159 --> 00:06:16,219 couple days later we had already 129 00:06:20,169 --> 00:06:18,169 inspected the science room in the 130 00:06:22,059 --> 00:06:20,179 cabinet very carefully but we did it 131 00:06:25,329 --> 00:06:22,069 again five minutes before the strip 132 00:06:27,219 --> 00:06:25,339 search and then the room was relocked so 133 00:06:29,289 --> 00:06:27,229 then I stripped searched Kai I carefully 134 00:06:31,779 --> 00:06:29,299 examined his shoes and the clothing that 135 00:06:33,639 --> 00:06:31,789 we gave him I followed him to the seance 136 00:06:35,319 --> 00:06:33,649 room as he kept his arms raised and 137 00:06:36,999 --> 00:06:35,329 hands in full view so that I could make 138 00:06:40,149 --> 00:06:37,009 sure he wasn't grabbing something on 139 00:06:42,549 --> 00:06:40,159 route then I unlocked the seance room 140 00:06:44,469 --> 00:06:42,559 placed kai in the cabinet the other 141 00:06:47,079 --> 00:06:44,479 sitters were patted down before entering 142 00:06:50,429 --> 00:06:47,089 the room and Julia was strip-searched by 143 00:06:53,499 --> 00:06:50,439 Owens wife Anna 144 00:06:55,989 --> 00:06:53,509 so under red light we got some video of 145 00:06:57,699 --> 00:06:55,999 Kai extruding ectoplasm coming out of 146 00:06:59,469 --> 00:06:57,709 his mouth it showed separation and 147 00:07:01,989 --> 00:06:59,479 structure of the material the material 148 00:07:03,699 --> 00:07:01,999 didn't smell there was no evidence of 149 00:07:08,139 --> 00:07:03,709 the black tea the Kai had just before 150 00:07:11,199 --> 00:07:08,149 the seance and no evidence of the recent 151 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:11,209 meal that Kai had had and next we saw 152 00:07:15,399 --> 00:07:13,610 some glowing green ectoplasm which Kai's 153 00:07:18,129 --> 00:07:15,409 spread apart moved around and brought 154 00:07:22,119 --> 00:07:18,139 within two inches of my face but we did 155 00:07:23,889 --> 00:07:22,129 not get that on video it was too dim we 156 00:07:25,689 --> 00:07:23,899 made several attempts to record the mass 157 00:07:27,579 --> 00:07:25,699 of material on the floor while I was 158 00:07:29,350 --> 00:07:27,589 breathing or flexing the video wasn't 159 00:07:31,629 --> 00:07:29,360 great but we did get some evidence of 160 00:07:33,609 --> 00:07:31,639 movement and then finally as he usually 161 00:07:35,289 --> 00:07:33,619 does kai showed himself covered from 162 00:07:37,689 --> 00:07:35,299 head to toe by a kind of netting or 163 00:07:40,479 --> 00:07:37,699 cocoon of ectoplasm which we also 164 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:40,489 recorded in very dim video when the 165 00:07:45,309 --> 00:07:43,610 seance was over I examined Kai and the 166 00:07:47,769 --> 00:07:45,319 cabinet once again and found nothing 167 00:07:50,350 --> 00:07:47,779 suspicious Johann strip-searched kai 168 00:07:51,729 --> 00:07:50,360 again and found nothing suspicious let 169 00:07:54,699 --> 00:07:51,739 me just very quickly show you some 170 00:08:01,689 --> 00:07:54,709 stills from the ectoplasm video so we'll 171 00:08:07,189 --> 00:08:01,699 all be up to date this is all very 19th 172 00:08:13,350 --> 00:08:11,279 okay look familiar to some of you now 173 00:08:16,559 --> 00:08:13,360 recent developments here's where we are 174 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:16,569 today in the forthcoming soon-to-be 175 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:18,610 forthcoming summer issue of the JSE 176 00:08:23,219 --> 00:08:20,649 michael nam one of my austrian 177 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:23,229 co-investigators presents a quite 178 00:08:27,570 --> 00:08:25,330 compelling circumstantial case for fraud 179 00:08:30,119 --> 00:08:27,580 in connection with some of Kai's 180 00:08:33,319 --> 00:08:30,129 phenomena some light phenomena and also 181 00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:33,329 some of his ectoplasmic manifestations 182 00:08:37,980 --> 00:08:36,159 Michaels report and mine have now been 183 00:08:40,439 --> 00:08:37,990 pre published and you should have gotten 184 00:08:43,999 --> 00:08:40,449 a notice if you're an SSE member and the 185 00:08:45,870 --> 00:08:44,009 actual issue will appear in a few weeks 186 00:08:48,150 --> 00:08:45,880 so let me tell you about these 187 00:08:50,550 --> 00:08:48,160 suspicious phenomena the light phenomena 188 00:08:52,710 --> 00:08:50,560 in question closely resemble what 189 00:08:56,790 --> 00:08:52,720 magicians produced by means of a device 190 00:08:58,350 --> 00:08:56,800 called the light flight and these light 191 00:09:00,240 --> 00:08:58,360 phenomena had always struck some 192 00:09:04,650 --> 00:09:00,250 observers including Yorkin as suspicious 193 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:04,660 and what tip the scales was our being 194 00:09:09,509 --> 00:09:06,370 able to examine a sequence of photos 195 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:09,519 that Jochen took actually two sequences 196 00:09:13,740 --> 00:09:11,410 of photos which made the trick quite 197 00:09:15,210 --> 00:09:13,750 obvious I don't have permission to show 198 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:15,220 you the full sequence but I do have 199 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:17,170 permission to show you one photo and I 200 00:09:25,019 --> 00:09:22,860 that the light flight or something like 201 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:25,029 it is controlled in one hand and it 202 00:09:31,620 --> 00:09:27,730 makes a light move around somewhere 203 00:09:33,809 --> 00:09:31,630 nearby it's and led presumably on the 204 00:09:37,309 --> 00:09:33,819 end of a fiber-optic device or something 205 00:09:38,790 --> 00:09:37,319 like that and if you look at the light 206 00:09:41,490 --> 00:09:38,800 can you see it 207 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:41,500 if you look at Kai's thumb what you see 208 00:09:47,370 --> 00:09:45,130 in the sequence of pictures is that the 209 00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:47,380 light follows exactly the trajectory of 210 00:09:52,860 --> 00:09:50,889 Kai's thumb and that's exactly how the 211 00:09:55,740 --> 00:09:52,870 D'Lite flight or a device like it works 212 00:09:57,780 --> 00:09:55,750 so kai is simply moving the light which 213 00:09:59,939 --> 00:09:57,790 appears to be resting in his hand 214 00:10:01,949 --> 00:09:59,949 sometimes in his mouth and it just moves 215 00:10:07,740 --> 00:10:01,959 along with his thumb and the sequence of 216 00:10:11,189 --> 00:10:07,750 photos makes that absolutely clear now 217 00:10:13,769 --> 00:10:11,199 here's what I did after we saw these 218 00:10:18,689 --> 00:10:13,779 photos I had a conversation with Yorkin 219 00:10:19,230 --> 00:10:18,699 and I asked him flat out if Kai had ever 220 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:19,240 Confed 221 00:10:24,990 --> 00:10:21,850 to having used a device like the delight 222 00:10:28,019 --> 00:10:25,000 flight and Yorkin hesitated clearly not 223 00:10:29,610 --> 00:10:28,029 sure how to answer my question so he he 224 00:10:32,010 --> 00:10:29,620 actually never really answered it he was 225 00:10:33,690 --> 00:10:32,020 struggling to figure out what to say so 226 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:33,700 I didn't push it any further but it 227 00:10:38,639 --> 00:10:35,290 seemed to me that the conclusion was 228 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:38,649 quite obvious if Kai had not confessed 229 00:10:42,300 --> 00:10:39,850 the cheating it would have been very 230 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:42,310 easy for Jochen simply to say no kai 231 00:10:47,460 --> 00:10:44,770 never confessed cheating to me so what I 232 00:10:50,210 --> 00:10:47,470 inferred from that was that Kai had in 233 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:50,220 fact confessed to having cheated and 234 00:10:56,490 --> 00:10:54,010 swore Johan to keep that in confidence 235 00:10:57,990 --> 00:10:56,500 and that put your hand in the position 236 00:10:59,880 --> 00:10:58,000 y'all can being an honorable guy put 237 00:11:01,920 --> 00:10:59,890 your kin in the position of having to 238 00:11:04,769 --> 00:11:01,930 lie to one friend me to protect the 239 00:11:07,260 --> 00:11:04,779 confidence of another and commendably 240 00:11:09,630 --> 00:11:07,270 you often didn't know what to do so I 241 00:11:12,030 --> 00:11:09,640 didn't push it any further what I did 242 00:11:14,579 --> 00:11:12,040 instead was to have a skype talk with 243 00:11:17,579 --> 00:11:14,589 Kai shortly thereafter and I said to Chi 244 00:11:19,889 --> 00:11:17,589 Chi I know you've cheated with regard to 245 00:11:21,690 --> 00:11:19,899 at least these light phenomena and I 246 00:11:24,420 --> 00:11:21,700 explained to him what happened when I 247 00:11:27,930 --> 00:11:24,430 talked to Johann now if Kai had thought 248 00:11:30,630 --> 00:11:27,940 that I had drawn an improper inference 249 00:11:33,780 --> 00:11:30,640 here he could have easily protested he 250 00:11:36,060 --> 00:11:33,790 didn't instead he just apologized to me 251 00:11:37,829 --> 00:11:36,070 over and over and for the first time in 252 00:11:39,510 --> 00:11:37,839 several years of Skype conversations he 253 00:11:42,300 --> 00:11:39,520 couldn't look me right in the eye over 254 00:11:45,090 --> 00:11:42,310 the video and he then made a bunch of 255 00:11:47,790 --> 00:11:45,100 vague and not altogether clear comments 256 00:11:49,949 --> 00:11:47,800 about the difference between public 257 00:11:52,949 --> 00:11:49,959 demonstrations of his mediumship and 258 00:11:53,910 --> 00:11:52,959 careful experimentations of the kind we 259 00:11:59,280 --> 00:11:53,920 did in Austria 260 00:12:01,860 --> 00:11:59,290 so although Kai was careful not to say 261 00:12:04,139 --> 00:12:01,870 the words ESI cheated and thereby 262 00:12:06,620 --> 00:12:04,149 confess I consider what happened to be 263 00:12:09,420 --> 00:12:06,630 functionally equivalent to a confession 264 00:12:11,579 --> 00:12:09,430 so clearly this casts a shadow over the 265 00:12:13,230 --> 00:12:11,589 case as a whole and what it shows is 266 00:12:17,910 --> 00:12:13,240 that at least sometimes Kai is only 267 00:12:20,490 --> 00:12:17,920 feigning being in a trance state we also 268 00:12:22,370 --> 00:12:20,500 know the Chi purchased both green 269 00:12:25,670 --> 00:12:22,380 luminous act 270 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:25,680 Halloween style cobweb and non luminous 271 00:12:30,689 --> 00:12:28,810 Halloween style cobweb and in quantities 272 00:12:31,790 --> 00:12:30,699 much greater than would be needed just 273 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:31,800 to determine his Chi 274 00:12:35,930 --> 00:12:33,810 claims how closely it resembles the 275 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:35,940 ectoplasm appearing in his cabinet 276 00:12:40,430 --> 00:12:36,450 sittings 277 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:40,440 and notice that's one kilogram of cobweb 278 00:12:48,310 --> 00:12:42,330 as we say in philosophy that's a lot of 279 00:12:52,699 --> 00:12:48,320 cobweb and almost karmically 280 00:12:54,590 --> 00:12:52,709 the guy the internet vendor Kai bought 281 00:12:56,509 --> 00:12:54,600 this through was a person who had 282 00:12:58,069 --> 00:12:56,519 attended a Felix group seance and 283 00:13:03,340 --> 00:12:58,079 thought Kai was a fraud 284 00:13:09,380 --> 00:13:05,900 now kai made a video which he never 285 00:13:11,569 --> 00:13:09,390 posted but he showed it to me of some of 286 00:13:13,340 --> 00:13:11,579 his luminous cobweb and in the video he 287 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:13,350 claims it's unlike what appears during 288 00:13:17,569 --> 00:13:15,810 his seances he also said that he heard 289 00:13:20,630 --> 00:13:17,579 about suspicions concerning the use of 290 00:13:22,430 --> 00:13:20,640 the cobweb back in 2012 and he seems to 291 00:13:25,639 --> 00:13:22,440 say that he produced the video clip at 292 00:13:27,889 --> 00:13:25,649 that time but I know because I've seen 293 00:13:30,019 --> 00:13:27,899 the invoices that he purchased the one 294 00:13:31,850 --> 00:13:30,029 kilogram of non-luminous cobweb in a 295 00:13:35,420 --> 00:13:31,860 smaller amount of luminous cobweb in 296 00:13:40,610 --> 00:13:35,430 late 2013 so why did he need more if he 297 00:13:43,100 --> 00:13:40,620 had already satisfied himself now let's 298 00:13:47,180 --> 00:13:43,110 not get carried away with skeptical 299 00:13:49,639 --> 00:13:47,190 enthusiasm because it's true that much 300 00:13:52,340 --> 00:13:49,649 of the non luminous ectoplasm I've seen 301 00:13:54,380 --> 00:13:52,350 looks more cloth-like and less synthetic 302 00:13:56,690 --> 00:13:54,390 and what Qaida splays in his video on 303 00:13:58,400 --> 00:13:56,700 the other hand and I just go back and 304 00:14:00,290 --> 00:13:58,410 forth about all this stuff Kai's 305 00:14:01,670 --> 00:14:00,300 luminous cobweb in the video looks 306 00:14:05,810 --> 00:14:01,680 exactly like the green material 307 00:14:07,699 --> 00:14:05,820 displayed in Austria and besides how 308 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:07,709 would kind know how similar the cobweb 309 00:14:11,900 --> 00:14:10,050 in the ectoplasm are if he's in a non 310 00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:11,910 conscious trance state during the 311 00:14:16,460 --> 00:14:15,120 production of the ectoplasm it seems in 312 00:14:19,550 --> 00:14:16,470 fact that sitters would be in a better 313 00:14:24,319 --> 00:14:19,560 position to compare the cobweb to the 314 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:24,329 ectoplasm than Kai would be also Michael 315 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:26,010 Nam has purchased different kinds of 316 00:14:29,660 --> 00:14:28,290 cobweb from the same vendor Kai use and 317 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:29,670 they look different from the material 318 00:14:34,310 --> 00:14:32,370 that Kai displayed in his video but 319 00:14:36,110 --> 00:14:34,320 still we have no smoking gun yet 320 00:14:39,259 --> 00:14:36,120 indicating the Kai smuggled a cobweb 321 00:14:41,090 --> 00:14:39,269 into the Austrian seance room or a good 322 00:14:43,910 --> 00:14:41,100 idea even of how the material escaped 323 00:14:45,430 --> 00:14:43,920 our controls but in light of Kai's 324 00:14:47,260 --> 00:14:45,440 obvious cheating on 325 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:47,270 occassions this certainly doesn't look 326 00:14:52,930 --> 00:14:51,410 very good I also have to say that most 327 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:52,940 of the moving light phenomena I've 328 00:14:56,590 --> 00:14:54,770 observed are different from what can be 329 00:14:59,230 --> 00:14:56,600 produced by means of a device like the 330 00:15:03,460 --> 00:14:59,240 delight flight for just to take one 331 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:03,470 example back in 2010 during us table 332 00:15:08,590 --> 00:15:05,570 tilting session recorded in high-res 333 00:15:11,830 --> 00:15:08,600 infrared video there were some lights 334 00:15:14,020 --> 00:15:11,840 that were appearing and hanging around 335 00:15:16,180 --> 00:15:14,030 between my legs these were the lights 336 00:15:19,420 --> 00:15:16,190 that notoriously were hovering around my 337 00:15:23,130 --> 00:15:19,430 testicles which was a provided an 338 00:15:25,090 --> 00:15:23,140 occasion for considerable hilarity and 339 00:15:27,430 --> 00:15:25,100 since this was recorded in 340 00:15:29,740 --> 00:15:27,440 high-resolution IR video if Kai had been 341 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:29,750 deploying some device it would have been 342 00:15:37,690 --> 00:15:31,490 very obvious in the video but nothing 343 00:15:39,310 --> 00:15:37,700 seemed out of the ordinary now a lot of 344 00:15:42,100 --> 00:15:39,320 people already now that they know that 345 00:15:45,070 --> 00:15:42,110 kai has been caught cheating have I 346 00:15:46,570 --> 00:15:45,080 think gone overboard and argued that all 347 00:15:48,790 --> 00:15:46,580 the phenomena are fraudulent but 348 00:15:51,100 --> 00:15:48,800 obviously it's invalid to argue some of 349 00:15:52,660 --> 00:15:51,110 Kai's phenomena or fraudulent therefore 350 00:15:55,330 --> 00:15:52,670 they're all fraudulent that's about as 351 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:55,340 compelling as arguing some money is 352 00:16:00,400 --> 00:15:56,930 counterfeit therefore all money is 353 00:16:01,930 --> 00:16:00,410 counterfeit we also know that some of 354 00:16:04,180 --> 00:16:01,940 the strongest cases of physical 355 00:16:07,390 --> 00:16:04,190 mediumship are in fact cases of mixed 356 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:07,400 mediumship where we see a combination of 357 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:09,770 genuine and fraudulent phenomena of 358 00:16:14,350 --> 00:16:11,570 course the difference between Kai's case 359 00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:14,360 and these other cases is that in Kai's 360 00:16:19,090 --> 00:16:17,360 kit in the strong cases the phenomena 361 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:19,100 were produced under controls even better 362 00:16:26,230 --> 00:16:24,170 than those i permitted in austria still 363 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:26,240 i mean considering my strip-searched an 364 00:16:30,910 --> 00:16:28,130 examination of the clothing and so on 365 00:16:33,220 --> 00:16:30,920 there are certain important questions 366 00:16:35,380 --> 00:16:33,230 that remain for example where did the 367 00:16:38,170 --> 00:16:35,390 audit Austrian ectoplasm come from how 368 00:16:40,450 --> 00:16:38,180 did I get it into the room and why did I 369 00:16:42,130 --> 00:16:40,460 find no traces of it after the seance 370 00:16:45,310 --> 00:16:42,140 I mean could kyuf hidden it in his 371 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:45,320 rectum or in his gut also if the 372 00:16:50,350 --> 00:16:47,450 Austrian cabinet manifestations were all 373 00:16:52,660 --> 00:16:50,360 fraudulent if Kai was stashing all of 374 00:16:55,210 --> 00:16:52,670 the stuff in some orifice he would have 375 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:55,220 had he would had needed to stash at 376 00:16:58,840 --> 00:16:57,110 least two kinds of ectoplasm the 377 00:17:01,240 --> 00:16:58,850 synthetic looking stuff in the more claw 378 00:17:03,550 --> 00:17:01,250 like stuff and whatever he was using to 379 00:17:06,909 --> 00:17:03,560 produce the bright lights we saw inside 380 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:06,919 the cabinet that's a lot of stuff to 381 00:17:15,460 --> 00:17:12,890 hide in one of his orifices now on the 382 00:17:17,529 --> 00:17:15,470 other hand we know that practitioners of 383 00:17:18,390 --> 00:17:17,539 a yogic system cleansing method called 384 00:17:21,069 --> 00:17:18,400 Doughty 385 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:21,079 swallow large amounts of cotton sheeting 386 00:17:25,059 --> 00:17:22,490 and they keep it in their stomach for 387 00:17:26,529 --> 00:17:25,069 between five and twenty minutes just do 388 00:17:28,299 --> 00:17:26,539 an internet search on doubt it you can 389 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:28,309 see that even housewives are learning to 390 00:17:32,950 --> 00:17:31,370 do this on the other hand dowdy 391 00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:32,960 practitioners are warned against 392 00:17:36,940 --> 00:17:35,510 swallowing synthetic material and also 393 00:17:39,010 --> 00:17:36,950 they're warned against drinking after 394 00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:39,020 ingesting the cotton so it seems 395 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:40,880 relevant that KY drank a large quantity 396 00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:43,010 of iced tea just before leaving a strip 397 00:17:48,909 --> 00:17:46,400 search for the seance room on the other 398 00:17:50,590 --> 00:17:48,919 hand if Chi learned about the delight 399 00:17:52,450 --> 00:17:50,600 flight and I think we have to be open to 400 00:17:55,330 --> 00:17:52,460 the possibility that he learned other 401 00:17:57,610 --> 00:17:55,340 tricks as well and we can't forget that 402 00:18:00,250 --> 00:17:57,620 KY give seances actually public 403 00:18:02,830 --> 00:18:00,260 demonstrations with great frequency and 404 00:18:04,750 --> 00:18:02,840 he seldom has a failure or a negative 405 00:18:07,899 --> 00:18:04,760 seance in which no are almost no 406 00:18:09,940 --> 00:18:07,909 phenomena occur and that's quite 407 00:18:12,460 --> 00:18:09,950 remarkable especially for a medium who 408 00:18:14,590 --> 00:18:12,470 claims as Chi does to be less prodigious 409 00:18:16,299 --> 00:18:14,600 than the greatest past mediums and all 410 00:18:19,330 --> 00:18:16,309 the great past mediums had negative 411 00:18:23,529 --> 00:18:19,340 seances in fact didi hume lost his 412 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:23,539 powers for an entire year and this would 413 00:18:27,039 --> 00:18:25,130 be especially remarkable for KY 414 00:18:28,450 --> 00:18:27,049 considering how exhausted he gets from 415 00:18:31,299 --> 00:18:28,460 traveling and from lack of sleep 416 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:31,309 and considering also that for us in 417 00:18:36,159 --> 00:18:33,770 Austria he had a negative fourth seance 418 00:18:39,549 --> 00:18:36,169 ostensibly because he was worn out by 419 00:18:43,090 --> 00:18:39,559 the previous three seances on the other 420 00:18:44,529 --> 00:18:43,100 hand if Chi was nothing but a cheat then 421 00:18:46,330 --> 00:18:44,539 he could have used the darkness of the 422 00:18:48,700 --> 00:18:46,340 fourth Austrian sands to levitate a 423 00:18:51,610 --> 00:18:48,710 table so why didn't he instead nothing 424 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:51,620 happened so overall I'd say nothing 425 00:18:56,140 --> 00:18:53,690 learned so far about Kai's cheating 426 00:18:58,600 --> 00:18:56,150 justifies our discounting either his 427 00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:58,610 table levitations or the object 428 00:19:02,529 --> 00:19:00,080 movements occurring under forelimb 429 00:19:06,100 --> 00:19:02,539 bodily control but obviously current 430 00:19:09,310 --> 00:19:06,110 suspicions do warrant imposing tighter 431 00:19:10,930 --> 00:19:09,320 controls next time so I proposed to Kai 432 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:10,940 that we meet again in Austria 433 00:19:16,420 --> 00:19:12,890 and imposed tighter controls but not 434 00:19:17,980 --> 00:19:16,430 necessarily heroic controls we I said to 435 00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:17,990 him investigators should supply the 436 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:20,000 cabinet he was happy with that he says 437 00:19:24,700 --> 00:19:22,450 he often travels without a cabinet I 438 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:24,710 suggested sewing him into a one-piece 439 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:27,650 suit he was ok with that I actually even 440 00:19:34,330 --> 00:19:29,450 suggested a California version of this 441 00:19:37,090 --> 00:19:34,340 where we're all in the nude I also 442 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:37,100 proposed putting boxing gloves on his 443 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:39,170 hands and sealing the boxing gloves as 444 00:19:43,210 --> 00:19:41,090 was used in the Australian Charles 445 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:43,220 Bailey case and that he drink blueberry 446 00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:45,410 syrup or blueberry juice like IVA seeded 447 00:19:49,780 --> 00:19:47,600 there's no need to insist that Kai 448 00:19:51,490 --> 00:19:49,790 swallow and a medic like EBC did or 449 00:19:53,380 --> 00:19:51,500 submit to a full cavity search and 450 00:19:57,460 --> 00:19:53,390 besides my philosophical training 451 00:19:59,260 --> 00:19:57,470 doesn't prepare me for that so the next 452 00:20:01,780 --> 00:19:59,270 step is really up to Kai if he wants to 453 00:20:03,670 --> 00:20:01,790 salvage his reputation and make the kind 454 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:03,680 of mark in the history of parapsychology 455 00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:05,690 that I think he originally wanted to do 456 00:20:11,530 --> 00:20:08,240 so Robert Johan and I are ready to meet 457 00:20:14,350 --> 00:20:11,540 with Kai again in Austria if he's 458 00:20:16,060 --> 00:20:14,360 willing and able to do it so if you want 459 00:20:19,420 --> 00:20:16,070 to know where I now stand on all of this 460 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:19,430 my view from Mount Olympus is that Kai 461 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:22,610 is at least a mixed medium some of his 462 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:24,170 phenomena aren't yet adequately 463 00:20:29,710 --> 00:20:26,450 explained away or directly challenged by 464 00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:29,720 recent revelations and nevertheless the 465 00:20:33,940 --> 00:20:32,000 controls Kai's permitted still fall 466 00:20:36,010 --> 00:20:33,950 short of the gold standard for this type 467 00:20:38,500 --> 00:20:36,020 of investigation if you want to know 468 00:20:40,660 --> 00:20:38,510 more about cases that have survived that 469 00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:40,670 kind of test may I humbly recommend my 470 00:20:45,370 --> 00:20:43,520 book the limits of influence this is the 471 00:20:51,940 --> 00:20:45,380 book about which James Randi once said 472 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:51,950 never read it there's sort of a Reader's 473 00:20:57,100 --> 00:20:54,890 Digest version of the cases of DD human 474 00:20:59,470 --> 00:20:57,110 you say Pio Palladino and my book the 475 00:21:02,410 --> 00:20:59,480 gold leaf lady and for a purely sleazy 476 00:21:04,330 --> 00:21:02,420 opportunistic promotional comment let me 477 00:21:05,140 --> 00:21:04,340 just say I have a new book coming out in 478 00:21:07,450 --> 00:21:05,150 a few weeks 479 00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:07,460 call crimes of reason so thank you very 480 00:21:19,710 --> 00:21:16,799 see there the soap opera never ends just 481 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:19,720 a quick lesson in micro phonology when 482 00:21:23,759 --> 00:21:21,730 you ask a question hold the microphone 483 00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:23,769 about an inch away from your mouth and 484 00:21:34,019 --> 00:21:25,600 point it straight out not down like this 485 00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:34,029 you can't hear that way alright thank 486 00:21:41,070 --> 00:21:37,600 you Steve if he does allow you to do 487 00:21:43,019 --> 00:21:41,080 more Sciences I would recommend that his 488 00:21:45,060 --> 00:21:43,029 wife does not act as a control and that 489 00:21:47,009 --> 00:21:45,070 you employ open-minded 490 00:21:50,519 --> 00:21:47,019 you know investigators that have never 491 00:21:53,850 --> 00:21:50,529 met him because that just always struck 492 00:21:55,619 --> 00:21:53,860 me as odd that the person who wants him 493 00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:55,629 to succeed the most in the world is the 494 00:22:00,359 --> 00:21:58,090 one holding that one side of his body 495 00:22:01,799 --> 00:22:00,369 it's just a suggestion yeah thank you 496 00:22:04,639 --> 00:22:01,809 for mentioning that I should say that in 497 00:22:07,109 --> 00:22:04,649 Austria julia was not controlling him 498 00:22:09,749 --> 00:22:07,119 she did not want to be a control for 499 00:22:14,899 --> 00:22:09,759 precisely that reason her role there was 500 00:22:21,930 --> 00:22:17,909 as a matter of curiosity does Chi have 501 00:22:24,629 --> 00:22:21,940 any body piercings he has lots of 502 00:22:28,019 --> 00:22:24,639 tattoos I'm not aware of any body 503 00:22:30,330 --> 00:22:28,029 piercings no if he has been planning 504 00:22:32,430 --> 00:22:30,340 sleight of hand for some time a body 505 00:22:35,730 --> 00:22:32,440 piercing tattoo is slightly less 506 00:22:40,590 --> 00:22:35,740 plausible it might conceal some sort of 507 00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:40,600 surgically implanted pocket it would 508 00:22:44,330 --> 00:22:42,710 have to be well I mean Chi is 509 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:44,340 [Music] 510 00:22:53,609 --> 00:22:52,090 sufficiently softer that I suppose he 511 00:22:55,739 --> 00:22:53,619 could have hidden something in the folds 512 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:55,749 of his belly in that way but I don't 513 00:23:01,560 --> 00:22:57,129 think that's where his tattoos are you 514 00:23:03,239 --> 00:23:01,570 know based on my strip search the mixed 515 00:23:04,379 --> 00:23:03,249 tradition in healing is actually very 516 00:23:06,389 --> 00:23:04,389 prevalent particularly in the 517 00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,399 Philippines or a lot of the shaman 518 00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:08,320 healers of Tibet where they'll actually 519 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:11,679 use they'll actually use pretending to 520 00:23:14,820 --> 00:23:13,570 pull something out or something but 521 00:23:17,460 --> 00:23:14,830 they're actually really doing something 522 00:23:19,409 --> 00:23:17,470 significant underneath and it could be 523 00:23:20,519 --> 00:23:19,419 that just to mention it might bring some 524 00:23:23,549 --> 00:23:20,529 shame to you and made it more difficult 525 00:23:23,970 --> 00:23:23,559 to speak about it secondly I think if he 526 00:23:25,460 --> 00:23:23,980 really 527 00:23:28,350 --> 00:23:25,470 pulling something out of an orifice 528 00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:28,360 especially with his larger statue that 529 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:29,710 you mentioned there might be some 530 00:23:33,390 --> 00:23:31,210 olfactory evidence that would have 531 00:23:36,330 --> 00:23:33,400 appeared that would have made that more 532 00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:36,340 obvious but yes and I noted last year 533 00:23:41,010 --> 00:23:38,080 that in fact there was no olfactory 534 00:23:42,299 --> 00:23:41,020 evidence even when the the ectoplasm was 535 00:23:45,870 --> 00:23:42,309 brought within a couple inches of my 536 00:23:47,370 --> 00:23:45,880 face so I'd say first of all I have no 537 00:23:51,690 --> 00:23:47,380 problem with the fact of Keyser mixed 538 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:51,700 medium from a business perspective it 539 00:23:58,500 --> 00:23:54,490 makes a good sense from a psychological 540 00:24:00,150 --> 00:23:58,510 perspective it it can be reasonable also 541 00:24:02,340 --> 00:24:00,160 I mean if KY is slipping in and out of 542 00:24:05,070 --> 00:24:02,350 trance he might need something to fall 543 00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:05,080 back on and I understand that it's it's 544 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:08,100 one thing to have a negative seance for 545 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:10,809 experienced investigators especially 546 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:13,090 after three successful seances and it's 547 00:24:17,610 --> 00:24:15,370 another thing to disappoint paying 548 00:24:36,329 --> 00:24:17,620 customers who are loyal followers and 549 00:24:44,499 --> 00:24:40,769 thank you I've seen it written that 550 00:24:46,899 --> 00:24:44,509 anybody that can do magic should be able 551 00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:46,909 to be strip-searched given a new change 552 00:24:51,159 --> 00:24:49,609 of clothing by the examiner taken out 553 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:51,169 into the middle of a field in broad 554 00:24:57,969 --> 00:24:53,450 daylight and still be able to do the 555 00:25:01,389 --> 00:24:57,979 phenomenon why is darkness required in 556 00:25:02,919 --> 00:25:01,399 these episodes first of all I don't know 557 00:25:06,190 --> 00:25:02,929 that that's really true what you said 558 00:25:07,959 --> 00:25:06,200 but I mean if they have enough time to 559 00:25:11,949 --> 00:25:07,969 prepare it for themselves that's fine 560 00:25:13,989 --> 00:25:11,959 but the thing about our seances is that 561 00:25:15,639 --> 00:25:13,999 kya doesn't have the kind of time to 562 00:25:17,139 --> 00:25:15,649 prepare things but why is darkness 563 00:25:19,869 --> 00:25:17,149 required there are all sorts of 564 00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:19,879 mythologies about what's necessary and 565 00:25:24,969 --> 00:25:21,919 Chi is completely inconsistent about 566 00:25:26,379 --> 00:25:24,979 this he says infrared prohibits the 567 00:25:29,139 --> 00:25:26,389 phenomena but we've gotten things 568 00:25:30,969 --> 00:25:29,149 recorded in infrared and besides the red 569 00:25:34,509 --> 00:25:30,979 light that he uses to illuminate the 570 00:25:37,209 --> 00:25:34,519 phenomena generates more IR energy than 571 00:25:42,969 --> 00:25:37,219 the little beam from my sony infrared 572 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:42,979 camcorder so KY knows that darkness is 573 00:25:46,810 --> 00:25:45,049 not required kind knows that some of the 574 00:25:49,479 --> 00:25:46,820 greatest mediums have produced phenomena 575 00:25:52,089 --> 00:25:49,489 in good electric light or daylight but 576 00:25:53,999 --> 00:25:52,099 his answer to that is he's not didi whom 577 00:25:56,259 --> 00:25:54,009 he's not you say Pio Palladino 578 00:25:59,879 --> 00:25:56,269 nevertheless he almost never has a 579 00:26:03,329 --> 00:25:59,889 negative say on something is not right 580 00:26:06,099 --> 00:26:03,339 in in the medical world there's a 581 00:26:08,769 --> 00:26:06,109 procedure that's done that always common 582 00:26:10,659 --> 00:26:08,779 were they to measure heart activity they 583 00:26:12,879 --> 00:26:10,669 have let people swallow electrode and 584 00:26:14,739 --> 00:26:12,889 sand the Safa cuz you actually I've done 585 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:14,749 even go down the stomach and you tie it 586 00:26:19,509 --> 00:26:17,450 to the tooth and they record for 24 587 00:26:22,299 --> 00:26:19,519 hours so I don't think you need to 588 00:26:23,739 --> 00:26:22,309 possibly examine his mouth to see 589 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:23,749 there's not something on the string 590 00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:26,570 going down that's that's got something 591 00:26:32,139 --> 00:26:27,769 in the stomach because then you just 592 00:26:34,659 --> 00:26:32,149 pull it out afterwards yeah we we plan 593 00:26:36,210 --> 00:26:34,669 to to check his various cavities more 594 00:26:39,340 --> 00:26:36,220 carefully next time 595 00:26:41,530 --> 00:26:39,350 at least I hope your hand does thank you 596 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:41,540 very much dr. Bronte excellent 597 00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:45,530 [Applause]